Here is the conversation between me and my mate on an idea we have brewing:
Me: This geezer is majorly missing at rick by getting me to google accounts rather than going through his own affiliate links.
Him: The best thing to do is well is get our friends to open up a moneybookers account - moneybookers has an affiliate plan as well!, though it's low paying - they would need to deposit a token small amount from their own bank account, a tenner say, just to verify the account. Then we, or I, could transfer them money to do all the bets etc. so that they would not be risking any of their own money, should that be a concern to them. Then after all offers are exhausted we transfer half the winnings back to our moneybookers accounts and they withdraw their half back to their bank account. In 6 months you can easily make a grand per person, that is at least a monkey each.
As i say, the important thing in all of this is that they use their own computers and each have a distinct address as the terms and conditions of moneybookers bars people logging in to multiple accounts from the same computer, and all these special offers are limited to 1 per household.
Me: I agree let's do it
Him: It is a great idea. I think lots of people know it too. The trouble is knowing enough people who you trust and who trust you. The layman always thinks it's either a scam or it's impossible to win money gambling, and gambling is bad. The second hard obstacle is the fact that although we think using Betfair is simple etc., others haven't a clue, added to the fact they need to bet specific amounts to take advantage of the free bet offers. That's why probably the best solution is to get people you know locally, and for each one arrange to visit them say once a week for half an hour and do all the bets yourself on their computer, with them watching if they like. Hopefully, they'd soon learn to do it themselves if we told them how much exactly to bet.
Me: I reckon I could probably get 5 guys in my office on board + that estate agent bird that I do business with + Cameron.
You could get your brother on board.
I could get a cheapo laptop and do some in Vicki's name + another cheapo laptop and do more in my mum/ gran's name (obviously I'd sell the laptops on again at the end of the promo).
I keep quiet about my betting at work but the guys that "look over my shoulder" are usually well impressed.
Including yourself I make that 11 folk.
Him: The problem with the laptop idea is that they trace your IP address too. I suppose doing it from some public wifi area or something might work.
I'm not doing it as I have already done it to a large degree and don't want all the mail associated with it ending up at my house. That's another problem that some people may have btw, I always email companies when I join to get them to remove me from their physical mailing list, most do it and it works, some say you are removed and you still get their junk mail through the door.
We should try a couple of people to start with. I'll fund it and we'll split our side since you are making the contacts and leave the contact half on their own. We'll be making more on the side as affiliates too, though we should check small print, as its possible affiliate deals exclude free bet offers.
The crucial step is getting them to open a moneybookers account and then stick a small amount on to register it - as i said once that's done i can transfer them the real money to get everything else done (it has to be people you trust as they will have control over the money I send them)
People from your work shouldn't do it from your work as the moneybookers rule will kick in as they will spot the same IP address. Moneybookers locks accounts straight away for this and I believe it's a pain in the ass to get them reopened.
Btw How did you find funding moneybookers through your bank. I have only done it once for 50 quid, but i remember it being quite complicated at the time. Did you find it like this? This could be a problem for us.
Me: Double right.
The guy at work who knows about computers says that I wouldn't need to buy a new laptop.
He say if I take my laptop to McDonalds and clear my cookies I'll have a new IP address from there and therefore could set up lots of accounts using Vicki's details.
Ideally I'd like to go to McDonalds early one morning - my local one opens at 6am and stay for a few hours getting the whole thing done.
Him: Yeah, would be good to do it in Vicki's name as a trial run as you'll be able to stick on the bets so we won't have any problems with mistakes on that side - that's if she let's you use her bank account to set up the moneybookers. I can definitely get my bro to do it, though it wouldn't surprise me if he has a ton of accounts already lol I know he has a Betfair account.
There is another solution actually, but again you need to know the people very well and they need to trust you. There is a program called teamviewer that allows you to view another person's computer and even control it. Some live technical help desks use them these days to sort problems for you. The person just needs to basically have their computer on and grant you permission to control, it then you do what you have to do.
We'll need to do some research and actually see which pays out better, affiliate programs or refer a friend schemes, because most bookies have both. I'll need to check moneysavingexpert, haven't looked at that for ages. Have you? Some of the members display their profit in their signature in the sports betting forum, and some have made 5 figures, so it shows what is possible.
PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER FOR A COOL GRAD PER PERSON - EASY!!!!
